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or maybe republicans learned that it's possible to get away with trying to subvert the will of the people which makes their

apparent willingness to try it again this november all the more frightening. after all, as the saying goes, a failed coup is just practice. joining me now democratic congressman conley of virginia is a member of the house foreign affairs committee and the house account ability committee. welcome back. what does it mean to have a former president and presumptive republican nominee and his allies refused to commit to accept the 2024 presidential election? >> i think it's a dagger at the heart of american democracy. this is truly a critical moment for americans who love their country. we have an absolute demigod will stop at nothing to try to get back in the white house with lots of enablers among republican ranks in congress

and throughout the country. americans have to understand the imminent threat he and that rhetoric represent. >> do you have any worry about the possibility of another january 6th style insurrection on january 6th 2025? >> unfortunately, a number of republicans in the congress after january 6th characterized it asked tourists who just got excited minimizing and normalizing violence. trump has never made any secret in his rallies and in his statements that there is a subtext of violence that is permissible, at least under his banner. so i think that is another part of the danger we face that he is clearly setting the ground for more violence, more insurrection and he gets to decide when and where and why.

>> president biden has already said he expects or doesn't expect trump to accept the election results in november if he loses so what is congress doing to prepare for that possibility? i know you're technically in the minority as a democrat what kind of discussions our members having about this if any? >> we did pass one piece of legislation to clarify the role of the ceremonial event after the election and the role of the vice president but that alone is not going to necessarily stop people from challenging the results. we have seen that when he says it has to be fair and his accolades say that, who gets to decide what's fair? for example they challenged election results in over 60 federal courts, they lost every single challenge. i would call that a pretty strong judgment that was rendered by the federal

judiciary that the election was fair and that joe biden was clearly elected placement. they still do not accept it. i think it's a real warning sign that no matter what, unless he wins, they are not going to accept the results of the forthcoming election. >> let me get you on one more thing. on thursday the fbi warned that china, russia and iran are among the foreign adversaries who are increasing their efforts to influence the november election with the use of artificial intelligence, are we as a nation ready for what could be unleashed on us on the american electorate? >> i hope so but i look back at the election of 2016 and there was clear russian influence got directly in the trump campaign and in social media. they've only gotten better at it. we have had prominent republicans in congress like

the chairman of the intelligence committee in the house foreign affairs committee actually saying they have colleagues in the republican caucus who are russian thoughts and taking rushing russian material and mainstreaming in the united states through social media. that is a very troublesome development. >> one of the members of congress doing that is marjorie taylor greene of georgia but we don't have time to talk about her right now. >> thank you very much. thank you for coming to the sunday show. >> joining me now to continue this conversation is a history professor from new york university and author of strongman, mussolini to the present. thank you very much. as is her way hillary clinton was blunt in her assessment during appearance on morning joe on thursday. >> maybe this would be our last election because someone who will not accept the validity of

an election is someone who does not believe in elections. he believes in his own power, his own right to power and his demand that he be installed regardless of whether he gets the votes are not. >> you wrote that if trump wends it will be worse than you can imagine and a national security disaster. the aim is to destroy america to the benefit of autocrats around the world. elaborate on why you and secretary clinton are rightfully alarmed? >> this is somebody who already tried to stay in office illegally with a violent coup attempt and is still running around which is very unusual in the international pantheon, usually people who do what trump did are in jail or forced into exile. the other thing that is notable is every time he and his enablers say they might not

accept the election where they use this word election integrity which means how do i fix elections so i can stay in power get to power, that's what that means for them, they are habituating the american public to accept the idea that he might have to do something extraordinary or even violence to deal with the situation. this has been going on a long time. one of his biggest enablers and loyalist, matt gates showed up at the iowa state fair last summer and he actually said, only through force will we bring change to a corrupt town like washington, d.c. they are playing not only with the idea that the election, we can't accept it because it might not be fair, probably won't be fair but also that we have to use violence to change history for the better and we are freedom and biden is a tyrant.

>> that gets to what congressman conley said to our interview we talked about the subtext of violence that is permissible and that he donald trump decides what level of violence is permissible which makes this whole situation extremely dangerous as you well know. why are some republicans falling in line with trump on the pre-denial of election results and his dangerous rhetoric. i'm just wondering is it their own desire of power or are they afraid to denounce him ? >> it's a combination of both. when you have a party that's enthralled to a cult leader and somebody who is very dangerous, that is coming out in evidence of his criminal trial, they all know exactly how dangerous he is. how he could, there's been repercussions for anybody who crosses them who doesn't fall

in line, long-ago jeff sessions, a long line of these people. they have learned that it's best to repeat talking points so now we have election integrity, you will hear about that and he also will test them in public. he humiliates them to see how much they will submit to him. he said to tim scott and lindsey graham. they are kind of conditioned by him now. this is been going on a long time to be the authoritarian puppet. it's a sad situation for our country. >> as frightening as all of this is, we as americans are powerless here. are we? >> no, absolutely not. my mantras is never under estimate the american people. this comes from studying what people have done in the past when they have had their rights taken away and they found a way to get them back. we are in a situation, we can

still stop this and mobilize and talk to people who are perhaps in the maga world and tell them what the outcomes will be because as i tweeted, it's always worse than you think and more people will be affected than anybody can imagine. >> talk to folks in the maga world and hopefully they will see the danger but the other thing folks can do is vote and vote as if democracy depends on it because it does. ruth, thank you so much for coming to the sunday show. coming up in less than 24 hours, donald trump's former fixer, michael cohen will take the stand and what's expected to be days of explosive testimony. he once said he would take a bullet for trump but now he is a main witness in a criminal case against him. the critical democratic primary and maryland on tuesday that could have an impact on the balance of power in the united

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>> i'm concerned, i'm a little apprehensive. >> tomorrow michael cohen is said to testify in the criminal trial it will be pivotal to the prosecution effort to tie his former boss to alleged hush money election interference crimes trump has denied the charges even slamming michael cohen as a convicted liar. he's not wrong but michael cohen said he lied to congress on trump's behalf. the former fixer has already

helped defeat the former president and another trial. he testified in the civil fraud case that resulted in a $454 million judgment against judgment. the judge writing in his final ruling that the factfinder does not believe pleading guilty to perjury means you can never tell the truth. michael cohen told the truth. tomorrow's testimony will be an even more crucial testimony for credibility. reporting that he will be on the stand for at least a couple days and that the prosecution has been preparing him for this moment for a year. former federal prosecutor joining me now, a senior writer for politico now. welcome back to the sunday show. michael cohen has downplayed his role calling himself a narrator rather than a star witness. >> he is a star witness, he is a central component have the government's case at this point

let's just assume for purposes of our discussion that they are prepared to conclude that the records were falsified, the payment records were falsified, in order to convict trump you need to conclude that the falsification was intended to aid or conceal a crime. thus far there has only been light circumstantial evidence that i think would satisfy that element. cohen could provide potentially direct evidence about what trump was told about why the records were falsified in the manner they were and what the purpose was. we haven't heard any of that in the course of the trial. that will be crucial to obtaining a conviction. the effective it may have been to conceal a crime, it has to be intent, beyond a reasonable doubt. but he has to put that in his head. >> could we see new evidence come out from michael collins testimony? >> i think it's likely we will

hear him describe conversations between him and donald trump about the records, even in the indictments there are references to conversations that are very abbreviated. expectation is we will hear about this conversations in more detail. >> meaning red or there could be audio that is played in trial or recording? >> it is possible, i guess it will just be cohen testifying because michael cohen has no shame about sharing cordio. recordings. michael cohen keeps saying he lied on donald trump's behalf, that was only true with his lies to congress. he lies to the justice department, the irs, thanks, none of that was for trump, it was all for him. after the court decision you read, was favorable to cohen, a couple months later a federal

judge concluded he perjured himself so the whole story of michael cohen's credibility and history is more complicated than people have the ability to process. >> given what you just said, if you are on the prosecution team call right now, how worried would you be about his testimony tomorrow? or this coming week? >> not so much worried about tomorrow because the first day or two, presumably will put him on and have had a plan worked out but the cross that will be the problem. i don't know, anybody who has seen michael cohen on television, this is not a man terribly composed or as cognitively fluent as he would like to believe he is. i don't have a nicer way to say it. he could easily be taken apart during cross-examination and if he blows up and starts railing against whoever and going off the cuff because he will be up there for hours. potentially days on cross.

can he hold it together? i don't know. he does not seem to have a lot of self-control. most of the key witnesses have already dumped on him before this. >> i was going to ask about him doing prolific in the podcast. >> all terrible ideas for a witness. spike i'm going to skip that. let's get to the former trump organization cfo who allegedly is part of this whole scheme, the judge mentioned him as a potential witness, neither the prosecution nor the defense wants him to appear as a witness , i'm going to read this from the daily beast. is a beautiful description because nobody knows what a pest off old man suffering in jail for the second time around after once again taking the fall for his boss might say. he is a loaded gun and he can point in either direction. by with the judge want him to take the stand? >> i am equally confused by this. i'm sure it's happened before

but i've personally never seen this happen or hurt this happen where neither side has asked for this witness to attend. i don't even know why he would think the government would want to call him. they just have him plead out to perjury so why would they believe anything he has to say or why would they sponsor him as a witness in front of the jury when they don't believe he is credible? trump's lawyers don't want him there either so i don't know what this is about. >> could the judge forced him, forced weisselberg to come testify? >> it's a good question. i don't think so, neither side has subpoenaed him. i think you would have to be there voluntarily in some sense. it's a very strange thing. i'm very curious to see how it unfolds. >> we will see about weisselberg in the next few days but all eyes are on michael cohen for the next few days.

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welcome to beyond. the mercedes-maybach eqs suv. with six months until election day super close presidential race isn't the only concern for democrats, control of the united states senate is up for grabs. democrats currently hold a 51 to 49 seat majority and will have to defend 22 seat, at least eight of which are shaping up to be competitive races. one of marilyn's senate seats is on the line. right now rinse george's county executive, angela is locked in a fierce democratic battle with millionaire congressman daniel tron that will be decided on tuesday.

he has already spent $61 million of his own money on his campaign. making this one of the most expensive primaries in history. meanwhile she has received endorsements from emily's list, the washington post and much of the states political establishment including governor westmore, and several u.s. senators. whoever wins the democratic primary on tuesday will likely face republican larry hogan, the states popular, former two- term governor. joining me now is rinse george's county executive angela alsobrooks. thank you for coming to the sunday show. >> inc. you for having me. >> early polls showed you in an uphill battle and he has outspent you 10 to 1. can you overcome those challenges? what makes you think you can? >> what we know now as a result of an external poll, an

independent poll released last week shows after spending $62 million trying to buy this race, i have now not only past my opponent in the polls, we are on course to win the race on tuesday. this grassroots coalition that we have built across the state has really locked in. it's a very exciting race and people are responding to both the message as well as my record. the message is about every day hard-working people. the families who are concerned in this moment about economic opportunity. the fact that all of our families want the same thing, to afford the cost of living and to live in safe and affordable homes and to be able to really have a woman's right to choose. i have an 18-year-old daughter and today on mother's day i think about the privacy and freedom we want for our daughters, we want them to have more right, not fewer rights

than we have. these are some of the messages resonating right now. the messages i've been talking about with voters. >> congressman trone insists that you are not the right candidate to beat larry hogan who is the likely republican candidate. he is a two-term governor and was term limited out, a republican and blue marilyn and he was very popular. here is what he told washington post. >> every poll that's been out there got my opponent loses, every single pole. i've been even and a head on multiple poles and i don't need the financing to beat larry hogan, i have the resources to beat larry hogan and a matchup across the board against larry hogan. >> the question there is can you beat larry hogan? >> he was wrong, it appears the

independent poll that came out last week shows i am not only eating the congressman but i'm also beating larry hogan by double digits in a matchup in a general election so it shows that the voters again are really leaning in, what they're interested in hearing is about a positive vision, one that shows us where we can go, this race is about the future and the kind of maryland we want to build the kind of country we want to build. this grassroots coalition we have built based on the issues that we share is one that will help us defeat larry hogan in the fall and it will also help us defeat my opponent on tuesday. >> if you are the democratic nominee, how hard are you going to try to tie him to the republican nominee for president? >> if i am successful, larry hogan is a republican and a party that is led by donald trump, he was invited into this

race by mitch mcconnell who said this was the get of the year, larry hogan also has a very clear record that shows him to be anti-choice, he's a person who is not been supportive of paid and family medical leave, it is the opposite of the average maryland her. he is going to vote with the republican caucus, no doubt about it. the supreme court is on the line, choice is on the line, there are so many issues that are of concern to not only marylanders but americans and this is an important race. >> let me get you on one more thing. if you win the primary and go on to win the general election in november, you would become the first black person elected to represent maryland in the united states senate, you would also only be the fourth black woman to serve in the senate. what would that mean to you? >> it is an honor for me to have an opportunity because i realize how much was done

before i got here. i think of shirley cheese him and sherry beasley who ran a north carolina. this is what i know also. every person deserves to see him or herself in the senate, every race, every gender, every background. i believe it makes our policy stronger and our country stronger and it's so important that we all be represented. that way the lived experiences of all of us are significant and it's also really exciting. i have the support of barbara who said she is the first woman elected in maryland but does not want to be the only. right now there are no women in the delegation. all delegates are men, it's an exciting race. >> one question i always ask candidates, working people find you? >> angela alsobrooks.com. go look at it right now. we are excited for tuesday. >> thank you very much for coming to the sunday show.

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it's important to note hannibal lector is a fictional psychopathic serial killer who enjoys eating his victims with fava beans. joining me now, stuart stevens, a senior adviser for the lincoln project and author of the book the conspiracy to end america five ways. my old party is driving her democracy to autocracy. thank you for coming here. i know i'm making light of donald trump and his loving on lector but this is some serious

stuff. there was nothing from the crowd , is he just poking his own crowd? that's what i want to know. >> i think he has dementia and he says so many crazy things all of the time, he's clearly on some cognitive decline here. we just have to call it out for what it is. it's a very frightening thing to think this person would have nuclear weapons, the guy is out there talking about having dinner with hannibal lector. >> let's move on, going to waste any more time on this insanity. let's talk about something very serious. senator lindsey graham was on meet the press today and here is what he said when talking about the situation between the

united states and israel and the president and the actions he's taken the last few days because of the way benjamin netanyahu is conducting the war. watch this. >> wasn't okay for america to drop two nuclear bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki to end their existential threat war, why was it okay for us to do that? israel do whatever you have to do to survive as a jewish state. >> i wanted to play that because when i heard that, i was immediately alarmed because it sounds to me like senator graham is saying to the israeli prime minister, drop nuclear bombs on gaza if that's what you need to do to eliminate hamas, has lindsey graham got off the deep end? >> the really sad thing about

this is anything. i think this is a case where the president is doing a very good job in a difficult situation. lindsey graham is another one of these sad characters that floats around the republican party who seems to just say anything in the moment. there was a time he was a serious human being. at the root of all of this, the republican party is not a governing party. is not a serious party with serious people. that is just the reality. >> has a white house given any kind of reaction to what senator graham had to say here? >> not yet and they don't always do so. they hear senator graham and others who are trump like at

times saying things like this and they tend to ignore it, especially if they think it will not be helpful. them coming in and talking about the actions that they've already taken or said they would take when it comes to israel and benjamin netanyahu probably not going to lower the temperature over there so they're unlikely to rethink but i will say it's interesting to hear what he had to say because we are at a time when this country is rethinking the way we acted in world war ii and when we dropped atomic bombs and it shows, where the republican party is right now. at this point, when it comes to showing strength, no matter what it sounds like or looks like, that is a huge part of how donald trump has operated and how he's changed forever the republican party. >> i would love to get your view on senator graham's remarks. >> as we marched towards this election were so much is on the

line, we consistently see just a level of irresponsibility in the conversation. the level of protest and energy that's really pushed president biden to take this important step i think is a recognition of where this public is and how people don't want their tax dollars going to the type of abuses that we are seeing. at the same time, to see people talk so irresponsibly about war and death and people in power have a responsibility to be conscious and direct and at the same time we see so much attacks on college protesters and those speaking out and you have a united states senator just completely acting irresponsibly, i hope the republic continues to look at what they are seeing and recognizing who in power, we simply cannot trust to move us forward. >> don't go anywhere, much more

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people who are ripe fertile age and may have pregnancy and they may be involved, are we not in fact making abortion a much more desirable alternative when marriage might be the right solution? >> were shot, that was a republican new hampshire state representative and this is a hearing on passing a bill to ban child marriage. >> you know that i worked for years on marriage equality during my time at glad and worked to navigate the messaging complications and worked to train loving and committed couples all around the country who had all sorts of attacks against their morals and who they were, all sorts of slurs thrown at them around who they were and whether or not they should be able to build a family and have the laws of this country to protect that

family. to watch the same type of right- wingers that were moving those attacks, having crazy, outrageous arguments to support something like children getting married and not actually supporting all of the protections we need to provide to young people to get through their lives and graduate from high school and have choices beyond that, it's outrageous but what it does is it speaks to the kind of hypocrisy and the arguments that continue to get thrown at those of us who are working to make sure our laws are truly fair for folks who want to enter into loving and committed airships as adults. >> this is coming to you from a virginia school board meeting where they are renaming schools for confederate traders, watch this. >> people don't the time to think about students who like me who would not be proud to graduate with the name

stonewall jackson. he fought for slavery to be a constitutional right. >> why? just why? >> is a little personal, it's part of this element that the republican party and the conservatism in america is at war with the modern world. the world is going away from this sort of stuff. the university of mississippi is taking down all of its confederate things. this is not where the majority of the country is going. this is a become my home state, the last state to take down the state flag which was basically the confederate battle flag. all of this, nikki haley having a position on slavery that's clear, it's really unfortunate.

>> were running out of time but i want to play this from a hearing in new york city, comets from the new york city school transfer, david banks. >> if we really care about solving for anti-semitism and i believe this deeply, it's not about having gotcha moments, it's about teaching, you have to raise the consciousness of young people. i call congress quite frankly to put the call out to action to bring us together to talk about how we solve for this. this convening for too many people across america and education feels like the ultimate gotcha moment. >> eugene cut you cover washington and the white house but congress is involved in that, how serious is congress when it comes to actually doing something about anti-semitism?

>> the answer is not really on these kinds of things. he is right, they want to have the moments, they see them and they feel emboldened to take on some chancellors and presidents in those sorts of things but they could do a lot more. the president has been working on this issue in the house battling anti-semitism, they could do a lot more in congress. mostly everyone agrees on it. yet nothing. >> eugene robinson, stuart stevens, rashid, rashad robinson , what did i call you, thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. a special mother's day greeting after the break. chief!

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