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joe at the two proposed times family members stationed to in june and september. just camp plus june, if you lived or tell me when i'll be there. let's get ready to rumble. of work that can't lose you in north carolina for at least 30 course, the find details of this would also need to be fine days from august 1953 to tuned. but these debates could december 1987 and has been diagnosed with cancer, neural potentially be occurring much so behavioral effects had a earlier than traditionally child born with birth defects or been diagnosed with held. with late june just being fertility issues are more a few weeks away. significant compensation may be >> all right. are light and jeff zeleny is with me as well. available, called legal injury advocates. now, to discuss your geoff president biden, they're case, golf one 3636. that's channeling a little dark brand and maybe dirty harry, they're 180501, 3636 called now at saying make my day. what's going on here is this maybe a morgan stanley old hard work nod to democrats who have been wanting biden to spice things meets bold new thinking at 88 up a little bit. this was certainly do that. i think it is look one of the big questions hanging over this years old, we still see the rematch is, are they going to world with a wonder of new eyes debate it's i think if president biden had his druthers, he may not. he would helping you discover untapped be a sitting president in a position of strength like possibilities and relentlessly reagan only agreed to one debate, but that's not the working with you to make them case as we see the polls out real510200, there. so what the white house is clearly trying to do is take charge of this while the trump campaign and the former

president is a distracted trying to put this proposal out, saying we want to debate and soon early june would be or late june would be the earliest ever for a debate. but look how voting in america is done has changed dramatically even since you and i have started covering presidential races. but since 1988, the commission on president central debates this sort of bipartisan, nonpartisan group has held these debates. and there's been a lot of criticism from all sides. so this would be a dramatic shift in this late june, early september the reason for that is clearly the biden campaign wants to flip the script if you will. they want to search showing that president biden is more in charge, in command and seeing that head-to-head matchup is something his advisers believe will do it if you think of him in the state of the union address, that's the kind of biden they want to see head-to-head with the former president and early september, that is also just about when early voting begins. coventry direct redefining so that would be a dream insurance i'm under rajan dramatic difference in just a few moments ago on the hugh capitol hill.

hewitt radio show, the former >> this is sienna are more on president said he doesn't mind the moderators. he said he will do whoever. so if this the breaking news right now, former president donald trump continues, we could have a set has accepted cnn's invitation up pretty soon. >> very interesting are in for debate with president biden before they're even officially the nominees for their parties. that is setting up a june i mean, that's fascinating showdown my colleague are led fascinating that's one. thank signs is i believe over at the you very much. that's discussed white house, arlette i hope with former republican governor of arkansas, aissa hutchinson. you've not been running back-and-forth this entire he ran for the 20 presidential half-hour. >> i suspect you have but i nomination for the republican mean, this is this is according party governor hutchinson, what to a trump campaign official do you, what do you make of telling our kristen holmes that the former president has this challenge from the accepted this debate invitation president to donald trump? he did say, make my day channeling from cnn for the end of june. so this is going to happen very clinics. would there a little bit what do you think is donald quickly if all a plays out the trump going to make? because way it's happening right now. day i think it's going to what are you hearing from the happen and i'm with you that white house? it sounds as though it's game on yeah, it it is surprising that the first certainly does. >> president biden and former debate suggested is in june president donald trump appear before the national convention. to have accepted the terms of a so i think it reflects the fact june 27th debate, a width that joe biden sees the latest stuff. cnn, that is just six polls that he's dropped, he's weeks away. this will be the first time that we are seeing worried about the third party candidates. so he's setting the two men face off in this this in motion, hoping that'll presidential election cycle. of course, they debated two times

back in 2020 before still just give him a boost and trump's ready to go on it. so waiting to learn some of the i think it's going to happen. other details about what exactly this campaign will look and i liked the revision to the like. i will say my colleague rules. were actually the mics mj lee, and i have heard from to biden campaign sources who can be turned off unless you said that they had accepted an have allocated time to speak. invitation for a debate that that's a good revision. it's interesting in that president will take place in studio at biden does not want to have a cnn's atlanta offices. studio audience trying to take >> but we will see what else away from some of the dynamics the details of this debate will that is favorable to donald trump. look like a bit earlier today, former president trump, for instance since told fox news in >> yeah and governor, i just wonder what your reaction is to a radio interview that he would the fact that donald trump be interested in a two-hour debates that involved podiums, avoided debates during the the biden campaign has all set primary process, wouldn't debate you and the other candidates. and now it seems also set out very specific he'll do this. so what's your details about what they want to response to that? see. >> for instance, the >> well, he missed the microphones can only be on when each candidate is expected to opportunity and the tradition speak potentially eliminating some of that very intense of responsibility to debate back-and-forth that we saw in rival candidates and he refused the very first debate between to do it at the time. biden and trump back in 2020. obviously, it paid off for him. but then there's also he was successful in that in questions about what the debates will look like going the primary, the general forward. so the two men so far election, there's a higher appear to have agreed to a

debate on june 27th, just six level of expectation he shen weeks away, the biden campaign that the candidates will debate. it's one of the had also proposed a debate in greatest traditions of the early september that is american presidency. and so i something that trump campaign he said that they would also think it will happen. he would, do. but we will see what else he would certainly be rhombus we learned. obviously, there's if he declined that debate with very fast developments throughout the day on this joe biden even if he is leading front, but it's clear that these two men will be debating much earlier than is typical in in the polls at the time, and is it a mistake? the process. with that first >> i mean, you i know you debate appearing to be here on respect the tradition of cnn in just six weeks yeah. presidential debates to forgo >> arlette, i mean, i'm seeing the announcement from cnn on my the commission on presidential debates, this bipartisan laptop, so we're all getting commission that's been in place this at the same time. you for a generation now setting up these debates should should know, i'm always in the know that just go by the wayside? jeff zeleny is with asu, but it well, it looks like it is. i says cnn will host and election debate between biden and trump mean, both parties are saying on june 20, at. 9:00 p.m. in were dissatisfied with the presidential commission on the atlanta studios of cnn. our debates. i think one of the reasons, of course, is they new studios, not at the old building, but the new building, have a greater obligation when their tech woods duty attack his taxpayer funded to or would campus and it says here private funded to have the to ensure candidates may third parties included in it. maximize the time a lot in the so it's different criteria. debate, no audience will be present right? that's not beneficial to >> in that is it really takes either of major political us back, jim, to those first televised debates in 1960. of parties. so i'm not surprised

course, in cbs news and by it and i think it reflects chicago. oh, yeah, anova clerk shirt at w bbm as you well that probably that commission is history and i didn't want know, my old stomping ground, to ask you about donald it's certainly is designed at trump's criminal trial up in new york. republican lawmakers, as you know, are flocking to least the biden campaign is that trial and they're hoping that it will focus on the issues on the candidates attacking witnesses apparently and the contrast port. and also that it's an atlanta. at their own behest. we're not >> obviously georgia is a central battleground in the exactly sure maybe a trump has selection at some state that egging them on, but let's has really been the subject of listen to a bit of that, talk so much conversation. about on the other side he did >> donald trump claim you want it. he did not win it, of course court cases, et cetera, but it is a key battleground as not want to allow collision if well. but this is a fast moving you did not ask me, i actually development and the point is, saw him at the rally at wild you can tell i didn't k-mean would instead, that was in new has been working on this for awhile. york city for monday and >> surely they've been preparing for the idea of a tuesday would happy to come to court and show some support you debate, but it could just i'm here completely as a happen weeks after the first volunteer. criminal trial in certain >> i'm here because i care about the future of this country and where it's going. i was there to support a friend outcome of that will also be hanging over this debate. recognizing that sometimes >> yeah. >> could affect the scheduling it's a little bit lonely to of the debate. i suppose, sit up there by yourself. depending on how this plays >> i offered a come in and out. what the verdict is and so on out of that trial. >> the other thing, geoff that maybe just be a friend only faced in the courtroom governor is fascinating and all of this is how quickly both campaigns,

you know, some of these i mean, yes, we've heard donald trump complained about the commission on presidential lawmakers who have been going debates. up there, apparently in the >> that's been going on for some time. but here this from running for vice president. the biden camp i think it's >> is this any way to pick a very interesting. i also have running mate was what, what's to say, we're kind of running been your reaction to seeing all of that? would you stand out of time, but and i don't mean to give you a multi-faceted question. behind donald trump at the >> rfk jr. he's not gonna be courthouse like some of these other folks? the republican party are doing the answer is participating despite the fact that a lot of these states, no. he's pulling quite well, but he's not an expect that to be >> i certainly as a lawyer and one of the controversy here, as a former prosecutor, loved but both the biden campaign in the trump campaign certainly want a one-on-one debate and it being in the courtroom, i would was always an open question. like to see it as a moment in >> if rfk jr. would meet the history but it's not threshold of the commission on appropriate for national, political candidates to be presidential debates third-party candidates generally don't, with the exception of ross perot. but there in the courtroom. the the bottom line here is this judge she should be concerned first president dental debate about that. the jury knows in june. you know that trump what's going on in the will be calling for more, perhaps rfk jr. will be as courtroom there, and it could well. so this is the beginning have an influence on the jury. getting of it. we'll see when but the second thing is if the september 1 is. if they all they're just there as a friend agree to that, maybe there'll be an arcade junior cornell certainly you understand that. west or jill stein debate sort but if if the motivation is to of emblematic of the 2016 set the stage to challenge the verdict, if it is a guilty campaign when you had the big verdict then that is a greater table and the little table for concern. and i think that's what's happening. you're sure. >> yeah. we'll see. and as jeff was saying, very important

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let's bring in our senior international correspondent, fred pleitgen, who has been watching all of this for from berlin. fred, how is ukraine doing against the russians? these headlines are not encouraging now they certainly aren't. and i think right now it's extremely difficult for the ukrainians pretty much on all areas of the frontline, jim, both in the south east, but especially in that new frontline that you were just talking about in the northeast of the country with the russians launching that i wouldn't necessarily call it a surprise attack, but certainly when that came a lot earlier than the ukrainians would have thought they did see a russian military build-up happening. now the ukrainians are acknowledging that they've had to withdraw from some positions. there's one that town near the border that right now seems to be under full on russian assault called vovchansk, where there are a lot of people were being evacuated from there and the ukrainians are saying that the russians are managing to take up positions in that area. so in on the whole, on that part of that new frontline, very difficult right now for the ukrainians as they're really out out numbered and outgunned

by the russians to a large extent. and of course that's also something that overshadows all of those meetings. the secretary of state is having their inke of in ukraine first with ukrainian president them with the foreign minister. and you're absolutely right. he did pledge a significant amount of new us aid and $2 in military financing. he said that happens on several levels, but he also says that there is a big sense of urgency. let's listen in ukraine is facing this renewed brutal russian onslaught and we see again senseless rights and civilians, residential buildings were rushing ammunition armored vehicles, missiles, air defenses, rushing them to get to the frontlines to protect soldiers to protect civilians, and on air defenses is so there you see him as saying that they are rushing all of those things to the frontlines. of course, the us acknowledging that there has been a bottleneck due to

the delays in that financing getting through congress, jen yeah, it's it's unclear at this point what consequences there will be from that holed up in military aid will have to see how this plays out. fred pleitgen in berlin for us. thank you, fred discuss now let's talk to a major general, james spider marks is a cnn military analysts, retired from the us army. general marks. your sense of it right now does it say potential turning point in the war with russia for ukraine? are we just looking at some bad headlines here? what's your sense of it well, i wouldn't describe it as bad headlines gym, but clearly it's a tactical turning point. >> in other words, the narrative we're going to see over the course the next couple of weeks and months, i would suggest is russia will have some tactical victories but they won't be at, let's keep it in context. they won't be able to tie these tactical victories together to truly dislodge the ukrainian forces enforce them back so much that it opens up avenues up to kyiv.

that's what this is all about. >> that's kinda number one that we're seeing. >> now with the strategic lever level, what putin has indicated as he wants to create a buffer zone and he has essentially that buffer zone right now on the donbass down of crimea. yeah, but that's why he he's focused in on kharkiv right now. now what that tells you is, from my perspective, if he satisfied with that, if he achieves that, is that now an opening to something that might lead to some type of a ceasefire or an agreement. in other words, i think putin understands he's not gonna be able, they don't have the capacity. the russians don't have have the capacity to get the kyiv, the ukrainians have the capacity to hold. so this is what we're looking at right now. where do we go from this point? is that operational victory possible? i don't think it is in the near term. >> and zelenskyy canceling these meetings with foreign leaders ukrainians, making a deal out of it. what do you take from that? >> no, never a good idea at the strategic level to say that you're distracted. in other

words, let's clear the empty my inbox, get rid of all these distractions i've got something else. say i need to focus in on. i don't i don't know that. >> you want to approach this as business as usual. we've got this under control. we know what we're doing. we have the high ground, we understand the advantages of the defense there in a defense, right now. and the defense is the strongest form of warfare so use that to your advantage to be a slog though. is their showing up as this log for months to come, you could be could be our general marks. thank you very much. appreciate it. we're falling a lot of breaking news right out. president biden has now accepted a debate invitation from cnn, war from the white house next more than $500 million in art stolen me, saw what turned out to be the biggest dark heist in history. >> you can't help but wonder if this was some sort of inside job. >> how would really happen with jesse l. martin? sunday at nine on cnn today at america's

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men, one in late june and another in early september, forgoing the traditional debates from the commission on presidential debates, former president donald trump has responded that he would agree to, to, to debates a one been and june and one in september. so now the ball will be in trump's court to decide whether they will accept this invitation as well. from cnn for a debate on june at 27. now, the biden campaign has said that they want to see these debates just be one-on-one debates that sensually, it's excluding a potential third party candidate. they also are organizing these debates directly with broadcast networks, cutting out the commission on presidential debates, which was set to begin. these face-offs in mid september and hold three of them over the course of several weeks in the fall. now, there are still a number of details that need to be he worked out, for instance, trump did a radio show interview a little while ago where he said he would like to see these debates be two hours. he believes there needs to be podiums involved. the biden campaign has also laid

out very specific details about what they want to see. they want this to be in studio with a moderator and the candidates eliminate getting some of the distractions and potential interactions that come from an audience. the biden campaign has also called for mics two only beyond when the candidate is set to speak potentially some potentially eliminating some of that intense back-and-forth that we saw at that very first debate between biden and trump in 2020. so we will see what the trump campaign might have to say about biden's de and he's accepted this invitation for a debate on june 27th, a hosted by cnn. of course, we're still waiting to hear more details about what exactly that will entail, but it shows that both of these candidates are eager to begin this debating process. much earlier than is typical, as there heading towards that face off in november yeah. >> and arlette, my any of this have something to do with the fact that democrats have been a little nervous about the president's poll numbers. and

as we saw during the state of the union speech the president delivered a performance that really jazzed up the base of the democratic party. is this sort of what the party, democratic and insiders, operatives, is this what they want to see sort of president coming out of fighting in a fighting spirit, wanted to take on the form president well, the biden campaign certainly has felkel so that these debates with trump in the past have worked in their favor. i was on hand for both of those debates that took place between biden and trump back in 2020 and advisors around that time really felt that it was a venue that highlighted some of biden's are best characteristics in reasonings for why he should be president. so this could be an opportunity for him to go face-to-face address some of these issues that they believe are important to voters. things like abortion rights, things like issues relating to democracy and really what they are trying to do is create the he's scenarios where they can present a very, the

split-screen with the former president as they continue to try to warn the he poses a direct to american democracy. direct threat to american democracy and americans freedoms yeah, and our lead, i'm just looking at some new reporting coming in from our kristen holmes and mj lee saying that the president's announcement comes after informal conversations between the biden and trump campaigns about debates in recent weeks things that largely focused on a mutual disdain for the commission on presidential debates and potential scenarios to work around the commission. >> this is according to three sources, familiar with these discussions. so it sounds as though we know that former president donald trump, he's air at his a grievances and his problems with the commission in the past. i mean, this has come up several times before and i remember being at those debates, i was out there with your lead at a number of those back in 2020, he is no fan of the presidential debate commission interesting that we're hearing the same are sort of the same from president biden and his can yeah, it is. and there is a very detailed letter where jen o'malley,

dillon, the biden campaign chair, detail to the presidential commission, exact the commission on presidential debates exactly why the biden campaign would not participate to paint in the debates that they had set forth. >> one of the arguments is that they think that voters need to hear from both candidates much earlier in the process. some of those debates that had been scheduled by the commission were set to take place when early voting has already started in the fall, but then also in that letter, o'malley dillon talks about the fact that some of these the debates turned into entertainment, a spectacles with jeering and end. moments where the crowd would applaud are interject. and so they're hoping that they might be able to narrow this down to just having the two candidates face off in front of a moderator hoping that they can get into the issues that will be debated. now, i think one thing that's also interesting to point out is that the biden campaign has proposed that these debates should be hosted by a broadcast organization, one that hosted a

gop primary debate back in 2016, and another that also had hosted a debate between in the democratic primary in 2020. so ensuring trying to basically make this argument that these broadcast organizations should not be up for debate with the candidates if they once had a debate with them in the past. so we will see that's a much more narrow list than is typical. so we will see how exactly that turns out, but it's clear from biden's campaign this morning, is that so far they have accepted an invitation from cnn for a june 27th debate. now, the ball is in trump's court and we'll see what the campaign has to stay yeah. >> you and i both remember that was a pretty feisty debate between donald trump and joe biden who can forget that moment when trump said stand back and standby and chris wallace and joe biden were in there kind of talking to the president at that time to see whether or not he would tell folks like the proud boys to not do what they've been doing out there jeff zeleny is with

us right now. jeff, i want to go to you and ask you about this because it's all breaking. in the last several minutes what do you make of this the president and putting out there on social media that he's accepted this debate invitation from cnn throwing down the gauntlet, issuing this challenge, donald trump i mean, this is moving pretty fast. what do you think? >> it certainly is? i mean, clearly the biden campaign is trying to gain the upper hand here and control this conversation over the debates and control when and aware and who will host the debate? hey, it's, i mean, it's something that has been as are let was just reporting they're really going on behind the scenes for quite some time. it was a couple of months ago when the biden campaign and advisers realized that yes, they had to debate. this was not going to be an option. they knew they would have to debate in the fall campaign. so the question of they certainly wanted to do it on there terms. so having a debate on june 27th, if the trump campaign agrees to that,

would be the earliest presidential debate on record now of course, there have not been debates for all that long going back to 1960 on television, we should point out so this of course would be the earliest, but look how we vote has changed dramatically in this country with early voting, et cetera. but it sounds the former president is on talk e,hn is saying they will do a debate june, which it appears to be june 27th, if the trump campaign agrees to that and they would do on in september having one interesting thing to vice presidential debate, at least the biden campaign's proposal is for the end of july just let us right after the republican convention so that is certainly interesting in the sense that the nominee for that position may only be aware of that for a few weeks depending on when the former president to

make his running mate choice. so many, many interesting developments but this certainly is one of the biggest developments of this rematch that we've seen in several weeks with the biden campaign is trying to take charge of this conversation absolutely. >> no question about, i mean, the other thing, jeff and you and i talked about this earlier is that having these debates come before the nominating conventions, i mean, theoretically speaking, the june debate would come before both joe biden and donald trump are the official nominees of their parties. i mean, that i mean, that is certainly a change remarkably unusual. and look, it also almost flies in the face of, let's just play this out. it a lot of things could happen in the month of june the conviction or acquittal. we do not know what the jury is going to do, but clearly, the biden campaign wants to have this debate right? in the aftermath of this trial. but to the former president, he has been leading the charge saying, anytime any

place he travels around to every rally he has and he's not add that many, but a few with a podium saying anytime any place. so the biden campaign is calling them on that. but the timing absolutely is a chain you wonder how many people will be actually focused and tuning into this presidential race in late june. it's summertime, a busy time, but clearly the biden campaign is eager to have this sidebar aside matchup here to ultimately make the case that they believe that they benefit from making this a referendum on donald trump, not on the biden policies here. so a lot of strategy at play here, but the bottom line, it looks like there will be debates and they will be early debates before the voting begins fascinating development also fascinating that these campaigns have been talking with one another about all of this jeff zeleny, arlette saenz, we'll continue talk about this as well. >> thank you very much. we really appreciate it. we'll speak more about all of this with democratic congressman eric swallow. he's up next

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person who's going to bring character that's president biden, and one person who's going to bring corruption. you've got one person that's going to bring competence that's president biden, and you've got one person that's going to bring chaos. and that's present then trump's. so let's do it in june. let's do it in september. and president biden is going to do great. we saw him at the state of the union. we've seen him in prior debates we've gotten nothing to be afraid of we do. have a clip from one of the debates back in 2020. this was a very memorable moment. you will remember this congressman between donald trump, who was present at that time, joe biden, who was the challenger and our chris wallace was moderating that debate it and the subject of the proud boys came up to far-right, a hate group. let's watch that talk about on the other side i'm willing to do anything i want to see people do it, sir do it do you want to call him? what do you want to call them? give me a name. give me the price. just like me to condemn proud assess, and write proudly.

>> stand back and standby, but i'll tell you what. i'll tell you what somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem, is 11 see these debates are going this early i mean, obviously that was a huge moment in those debates you're sensitive yeah. >> i mean, again, the president needs to draw the contrast that he's leading a jobs presidency. >> and contrast is somebody who saw more jobs lost on there. >> as president. >> in recent history that he's stitching the world alliances back together as donald trump would dramatically rip them apart. and again, character. sure. you may not like that. joe biden is 81 years old, but there's a number that's a little bit higher than that. and that's the nearly 90 felony counts that donald trump faces and four different jurisdictions. so we have to show that contrast. we have to hammer it and just stay on offense so don't don't let

trump take us on our heels. stay on offense. we win the debate, we win the election and do you think this reflects some some concern? >> crn inside the biden camp about these latest poll numbers you saw that new york times cnn poll that came out a few days ago, that got a lot of democrats worried about how the president is doing. then you saw a lot of pushback from democratic operative saying no, no, no, the polls are all over the place. you can make too much of one pole. >> where do you fall on this? >> it sounds like from what you were saying earlier that you are worried about a little bit of complacency inside the democratic party among progressives about this cycle where are you in all this? >> yeah, i think it reflects that eagerness. eagerness to tell the story of what's happened over the last four years and to lay out the vision for how you finish the job in the next four. so i think that really reflects eagerness. i mean, if president biden that had something to hide, he wouldn't be on the sidelines trying to duck these debates. i think he's ready to bring the fight just as he did at the state of the union and i did

want to ask you about the former president's hush money trial up in new york. >> you did see a number. we saw the house speaker, mike johnson, other maga supporters of the former president up there at the trial let's listen to some of what some of them had to say outside the courthouse this is the fifth week that president trump has been in court for this sham of a trial. they are doing this intentionally to keep him here keep him off of the campaign trail. i came here again today on my own to support president trump because i am one of