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impact on his 2016 presidential campaign and that trump and i'm quoting now wasn't thinking at all about his wife melania, for the next hour i'll take you inside the courtroom from gavel to gavel with new transcripts breaking down all of today's most important developments and looking ahead to what's next welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world i will blitzer with a special report in the situation room that trial today let's get right to the breaking news in today's high-stakes testimony against donald trump, michael cohen, zeroing in on what trump knew about the stormy daniels hush money deal and the alleged criminal but we will cover up. cohen insisting more than once that trump had an urgent motive to protect his 2016 presidential campaign cnn's kara scannell is outside the courthouse, new york for us, qarrah, the prosecution is cutting to the heart of its case with cohen on the witness stand. >> yeah. well, if michael cohen on the witness stand for a five-hour stay, he was measured, he was deliberate, he was controlled as he explained

to the jury, the hush-money deals that he said he was involved with at the direction of donald trump, telling the jury that if the news have come out, it would've been catastrophic to the campaign and also saying that he was repaid and he recounted to the jury a moment when he was in trump tower in donald trump's office with the chief financial officer. they were discussing the repayment. it would be made over 12 months and it was then that michael cohen said that in that room, donald trump approved his repayment of the hush money deals michael cohen, trump's former lawyer and fixer. and now star prosecution witness. finally, taking a stand and former president donald trump's criminal trial he's considered the only witness who can directly implicate trump in the alleged crimes. >> we paid a lawyer legally expense. it's marked out in the book, quote legal expense is perfectly marked down prosecutors say cohen paid off adult-film star stormy

daniel's on trump's behalf to kill her story of an alleged affair before the 2016 election trump denies the affair. i did it at the direction of in concert with and for the benefit of donald j. trump cohen testified about notifying trump after learning daniel's was planning to sell her story, saying that the impact on the campaign would be catastrophic cohen said trump was angry at him for not having this under control and told him to stop this from getting out. >> cohen said trump directed him to try and stall daniels from releasing it until after the election. recalling trump saying because if i win, it will have no relevance because i'm president. and if i lose, i don't even care he claimed trump was not thinking about his wife, melania, saying this was all about the campaign cohen reached a $130,000 deal with daniels attorney to kill the story and ultimately, a few weeks before the election, cohen had to front the money himself but before heading to the bank, cohen said he had to

phone calls with trump to ensure that once again, he proved what i was doing because i require approval from him on all of this prosecutors showed the jury call locks to backup cohen's recollection, cohen testified about this in front of congress in 2019. mr. trump directed me to use my own personal funds from the home equity line of credit to avoid any money being traced back to him that could negatively impact his campaign cohen served three years in prison in home confinement for crimes including federal campaign finance violations related to the payoff i am going to jail in part because of my decision to help mr. trump hide that payment from the american people cohen emphasize that trump was a micromanager and that during his time at the trump organization, he answered only to trump. cohen said he had an amazing experience working for the trump organization for a decade adding that he felt on top of the world when trump would have

praise him for accomplishing a task during questioning prosecutors aimed to show a pattern that cohen helped bury negative stories about trump all upon trump's direct instructions prosecutors as cohen about his work with tabloid executive david pecker to kill stories, including one of another alleged affair with a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, which trump also denies. cohen discussed how he recorded a 2016 phone call with trump where they spoke about the $150,000 repayment to pecker for buying mcdougal story i need to open up a company for the transfer of water that info regarding our friend david the funding? yes. >> cohen also testified about the bombshell moment when the access hollywood tape drops. >> when you're a star, they let you do it. >> you can do anything. >> he said, trump called and asked him to reach out to all his media contacts and said, this spin to put on it, was that this is locker room talk, something that melania head right? commended.

>> he described it as as locker room talk. >> yeah. i it's kind of two teenage boys actually, they should behave better, right? so trump was sitting back in his chair during most of this testimony with his eyes closed for much of the de not reacting to what michael cohen was saying for the most part jurors, they were taking notes again, actively in their notebooks. michael cohen will be back on the stand, samar, where prosecutors say they will continue to ask him some more questions and then trump's lawyers will begin their cross-examination. wolf big day tomorrow. kara scannell reported for us. thank you, kara, very much. let's break all of this down with our legal and political experts at elliot williams. there's a key portion of the cohen's testimony today that you're looking at, you just got the official transcript and wolf it fits right into the final images we saw in keras piece, there was just shows melania trump is job of the prosecution

here is to establish that the actions alleged were not just to hide donald. trump to hide them from melania trump. but his campaign, and they got into that a little bit with michael cohen today. so this is susan hoffinger, the prosecutor saying questioning michael cohen when dylan howard and that's the editor in chief, national enquirer told you on the evening of october 8, 2016, that stormy daniels was out looking well her manager was out looking to sell her story. did you know who stormy daniels was at that time? michael cohen says, i did. hoffinger. how did you know who she was? >> cohen? >> because it was referenced back to the 2011 scenario that i dealt with previously with david pecker. the publisher of the national enquirer on i'm sorry. with keith davidson, stormy daniel's is attorney in order to have a story removed from the dirty.com that's a blog so hearing now, after the access hollywood tape release, that her story might come out again, what if anything, did

you think about the potential impact that might have on the campaign, michael cohen says catastrophic, that is horrible for this campaign very interesting. >> i encourage khardori. what's the significance of this exchange? >> well, i mean it further as the prosecution's case for this hush money payment had been been all about the election rather than any other reason. and that would further establish one of their theories, which is that the payment may itself have been campaign finance violation or a crime under new york law. so it gets them further evidence on that front. what we have yet to hear, a lot about at least so far. and obviously, cohen is still testifying, is what exactly trump was told during the process of falsifying these records in an ideal world, we'd want to hear cohen say, oh, i told him we were we're gonna do it this way because the doj might find out or the epc might be asking questions. i don't think we're going to hear that testimony that the real-world is not the ideal world, but something in that ballpark would be helpful to the government or a significant indeed, glory abortion. >> i want to get your reaction

to something cohen says, trump told him about the payment to stormy daniels and this is a quote i want you to just push it out as long as you can just get past the election because if i win it, it will have no relevance because i'm president and if i lose, i don't even care. this gets to the heart of the prosecution's case. >> yeah, very much so. i mean, michael cohen's whole point and the prosecution's whole point is that this was not about melania finding out this was not about a personal issue. this was about hiding something so he could win the election and what michael cohen said, not just in this moment, but in many moments today was this was about the campaign hey, as you said in your quote, this would be catastrophic for the campaign. they felt that they had to do something about it and they, and you could see that michael cohen got more and more panicked about it as time went on and trump was trying to stall because he didn't really

want to pay the money but cohen knew how dangerous this could be. and finally had to shell out hundred and $30,000 sarah matthews is where this is. well, sarah, in another exchange and this was significant. cohen says, trump was unconcerned about how melania's reaction would be to the stormy daniels story. cohen st. trump told him not to worry he wouldn't be by himself for long. what do you make of that? >> yeah. i think they've laid out that the prosecution has laid out that lani was not the concern that trump's concern was with the campaign obviously, trump's defense is saying that's not true, that this a fair never even happened and that he was concerned with what his his wife thinks. i think what's difficult about this is that and what kind of goes against trump's defense is that melania has not shown face at all during this trial. i wouldn't expect her to just given the nature of the details of this case and that doesn't maybe play well with the jury when you're seeing other

family members of his show up, we had some us senators today show up and be by his side. but the most important person who could show up and be by his side is his wife. and so i think that the jury is definitely taking notice of that and ellie, let me get back to you because there was another important exchange today dealing with cohen talking about the scramble after the access hollywood video tape was released and how the media was dealing with that i had a chance that night it was october 18, 20 to interview michael cohen right here in the situation room alone. >> play the exchange a little clip from that interview have you ever had locker room talk boy talk as melania trump called it yesterday with him along those lines, if i have never heard mr. trump's say anything even remotely close to the statements that i heard when i first heard that there was a tape that was going to be coming out. >> i said it's got to be fake because and i spend thousands

of hours with mr. trump a year and i can tell you, i have never heard him say anything anything even close to that in honest truthfully, mr. trump actually respects women very, very much. >> that clip though, speaks to cohen's credibility, right? yes two things can be true at the same time. number one, michael cohen's other testimony in this trial can be corroborated by text messages and phone phone logs, and financial records and so on, and other witnesses, other witnesses, including the banker that he transacted with our bolstering some of the testimony he gave that can be true along with the fact that that is terrible and it's basically sounds like he's lying through his teeth because at the same time, if we are to believe what he's saying today, he was helping the former president cover up some of these affairs. so yes he's providing valuable testimony to the problem prosecution, but also has significant credibility issues that the prosecution has to deal with. the defense is going to

eviscerating them on when they get a chance to visit. >> it didn't need today that he that he lied to protect oh, sure they had to get that out there. that yes. i like to project and it softens the blow a bit that it came out from the prosecution, but it'll it'll come back. it'll be a fascinating, a powerful week indeed, everybody standby much more coming up. how michael cohen and donald trump reacted while cohn was on the witness stand to cnn correspondence who were in the courtroom was shared what they saw and what they heard. and later cohen's former lawyer, lanny davis, gives us his take on today's testimony and whether his ex client was effective those situation room with wolf blitzer. >> he's brought to you by progressive save when you bundled motorcycle, rv, and boat insurance visit progressive.com, you know, when i take the bike out like this all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that this bad boy can fix anything. yeah, tough day at work nice cruises sorts, you

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testifying in the trump hush money trial right now we want to take you inside the room where cone and donald trump were just feet apart. want to bring back cnn's kara scannell, who's been in the court every day of this trial for us and see you in an anchor, abby phillip, was there for us inside the courtroom as well for the first time today, abby, you were in the room with cohen as he testified this morning, what stood out to you yeah. >> well, michael cohen's discipline i think is probably the most important factor in his testimony so far. is the linchpin witness for the prosecution and they needed him to really tick through a series of things that will solidify their case before the jury. and he delivered this testimony. i think in a measured way at point-by-point, not meandering too far off course delivering, it sounds like what the prosecution asked him two and the key moments had to do with what happened when the stormy

daniels payment came into play, what he knew that donald trump knew about how that payment was going to be done. and michael cohen made it clear that he was in the room when allen weisselberg it was writing down that are rudimentary equation on the piece of paper outlining what he was owed and that he was also there when allen weisselberg went into trump's office to brief him on the arrangement. and so that is really the heart of the falsification of documents part of this case, which is about what trump knew and what he might have authorized in terms of that payment that would have made it essentially a crime. >> and dabie, what you see when it comes to the rapport or jill, i say lack thereof between cohen and the jurors really. >> well. >> i think michael cohen, for the most of his testimony, addressed the prosecutor who was asking the questions, but at certain times he would address the jurors when the prosecutor asked him explain

this to the jurors. so it wasn't gratuitous, but i do think that it was it was used sparingly and intentionally for the most part, he was very, very focused on answering those questions carefully. meanwhile, donald trump literally did not react. the vast majority of the time. he just stood there from time to time, he would whisper to as attorneys i observe that just a couple of times in the first morning session of the trial. but for the most part, it almost seemed like trump was trying almost to ignore what was happening on that witness stand with a man that he is clearly to a degree irritated by when michael cohen's name was called the very first thing that happened in the room. he leaned over to his attorney and whispered something to him as michael cohen walked into the room, what you're saying, yeah, we know qarrah, let me bring you into this conversation. >> we know cohen gets under trump skin what more can you tell us about how trump absorbed? his testimony wealth

is abby said trump did not react through most of michael cohen's testimony for the majority of the day, he was leaning back often with his eyes closed when some text messages were put up on the screen, he would lean into the monitor. >> were there display that's right in front of him so he could see it. but overall, he really didn't show any emotion. there were a few moments where we did see some i'm reaction to trump and it stood out because of just how still he was for most of the day. one of those moments when trump had mentioned exuded when cohen had mentioned melania trump we saw trump make the face about that then cohen was testifying and said that he was disappointed that he wasn't considered for the chief of staff job at went to trump's administration. trump's shook his head and then another time when cohen was describing that he was angry, unusually angry even for himself, when he learned that his bonus have been cut by two two-thirds. it was at that point that trump let out a smile, revealed a smile when when cohen was even just commenting and smiling

about it himself, about just how he knows that he could be angry and that he was even unusually in green that moment we did see trump react then. but for the most part, he is really was himself very controlled today in that courtroom. >> very interesting, abby, i wanted i'll struck you from trump's demeanor today inside that courtroom in and indeed, from the courtroom overall. >> yeah. you know what will when trump walked into the room with this massive entourage of people it really made a stir. it was a large number of people multiple members of congress, one congresswoman, the coal melia takeaways. tom, i'm sorry. that tommy tuberville from alabama and jd vance. but along with a bunch of other people, his son, eric trump, it was a statement. i think he was trying to make a show of force in that moment and wasn't for the benefit of michael cohen. it's not clear, but they took up two or three rows. and i think that that was just goes to show that even trump knows

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reports, cohen covered some of the highs and the lows of his years working as trump's loyal fixer today the next president of the united states those times, michael cohen seemed to get nostalgic over in his testimony today. the better times when he was working his dream job for a man he respected and admired it started, cohen says, when he was at donald trump's office to ask about a $100,000 bill for work he had done for the company trump offered him a job on the spot. i was honored. i was taken by surprise. he said, smiling at the memory, talked to me and he liked my personality, which is i mean, my nickname was like pitbull. yeah, once i get my hands around your neck, you're finished, you know, and i never let go. >> he said his new job was amazing fantastic. you could be sitting in his office and next thing, boom, it's a superstar celebrity or it's a another multibillion heir, or it's a

report or on the telephone when trump praised him for handling a problem. >> well cohen said he felt like he was on top of the world. the 57 year-old grew up on long island. his father, a holocaust survivor, quote actually, i didn't want to be a lawyer. my grandmother wanted me to be a lawyer. >> he became a personal injury attorney with a side hustle dealing in taxi medallions. >> he lived in a trump apartment building, bought and sold additional properties, and even organized a condo board takeover. he liked the way that that occurred. cohen said, what did he do for trump? >> well, my job is i protect mr. trump often in a vicious manner. cohen testified he was famous for his rants as tirades. he did extremely angry. he made threats in call people names, and cohen testified he would sometimes lie for donald trump, but after trump was elected, cohen was not given a job in washington donald trump always kept michael cohen at a certain distance and code became more and more resentful of the fact that he was being kept at

arm's length distance by donald trump. the relationship ruptured after cohen's role facilitating the hush money payments to stormy daniel's became public cohen went to jail, was disbarred and bitterly testified against prompting congress. >> he is a racist he is a conman and he's achieved is cohen really a different man now from those days as trump's bullying fixer this new michael cohen seems a quieter, more subdued, chastened. he does seem to be a feed. it hits. he's he's lost stature, he's lost his connection to trump as for the future dynamic between the two men, trump biographer marc fisher says it's possible that trump might try to retaliate somehow for cohen's testimony. >> but fisher says that trump is also known for bringing people who go astray back into his orbit. he says that's a possibility with michael cohen. albeit a slim one. well, i suspect it's a very slim one, indeed, brian, time reporting

for as brian. >> thank you very much joining us now here in the situation room, michael cohen's former lawyer, lanny davis. lanny, thanks very much for coming in. thank you. will you think your former client, michael cohen, did enough today to establish that? he alleged illegal activity that the prosecution has claiming against trump that all of the alleged illegal activity was done specifically with the direction of donald trump well, that's what the federal prosecutors found in their sentencing report. >> michael cohen did his time and they found that he was directed by mr. trump. so if michael cohen did the time for the crime, so she'd mr. trump, but i haven't invitation for all of mr. trump's supporters tonight and to mr. trump respectfully, you said to your supporters to the american people that you would testify, not my butt would testify. now, michael cohen has been carpeted with the tax at being a liar when he was lying, almost always for you. so now you're going to keep your word, mr. and testify stand up and tell

the truth the way that michael cohen has. and then we'll see what the jury decided to think trump will testify. well, i think that he may have a problem with the truth because i know what the facts are in the truth here is that mr. trump was directly involved in the same crime that michael cohen was forced to go to prison for. >> but i'm in inviting him and all vis supporters tonight he said the words, i would testify, look it up mr. trump it's time. now that you've heard michael cohen being attacked over and over again by your supporters. it's time for you you're a lawyer, you know, his lawyers are recommending he not go in, testified his lawyers are recommending that he not testify because i think they're afraid that he doesn't often know the truth from the non truth. >> so he'll make it difficult. witness michael cohen had the courage to stand up and testify under oath and to take the cross examination in the next several days, which won't be easy. he took cross-examination

in the case involving attorney general tish james and the judge found him credible. now, mr. trump, it's your turn. keep your word. you promised your supporters. i welcome your testimony. >> let's see if he does. cohen testified today, as you know, that he received a text. this is cohen's testimony from trump on october 18, 2016 a few days before the 2016 presidential election, that was a day after stormy daniels attorney said the agreement was canceled was canceled. i interviewed michael cohen that de right here in the situation room. let me play another clip from that interview. listen to this i have never heard mr. trump's say anything even remotely close to the statements that i heard in truthfully, mr. trump actually respects women very, very much and it's indicative of the companies so let me ask women that are executives and the way that he promotes women is

identical dealer. so what's your reaction to that? >> this is michael cohen during the days when he said to the american people in congress, i'm ashamed of myself for what i did for mr. trump and what he did there was what he was referring to. he was defending the indefensible out of loyalty to mr. trump, and he regrets it and it's shown remorse. and the one thing i can say, knowing him from the very beginning when he came to me, he wanted to do this truth and take all the punishment for his family and for his country and that what you saw there is the old michael cohen. we now see a different one as you know, the critics are accusing your former client, michael cohen, of displaying a clear bias and an dda hatred of donald trump just last week, he were this t-shirt. >> let me put it up on the screen. this t-shirt to depicting trump behind bars during a tiktok video given this or why should the jury believes he is being fair in his testimony?

>> well, i certainly think he regrets the understandable anger that he still feels and what he did on social media. i think he he regrets but i also know that he stood up today and he told the truth. and i also know that he'll stand up to the cross examination the way he did in the attorney general of new york's case, where the judge found him credible, but more importantly, i've been in the room with michael doing all this preparation with the prosecutors and every single word of his testimony was corroborated and will be corroborated by testimony of other people by documents, by emails, by text messages. so the truth surrounds him by documents. and that's why he's not afraid to take the stand. and i believe that mr. trump should look of up to his promise to take the stand as well. and as lawyers shouldn't be afraid because he'll tell the truth or dilantin davis, i hope come back. we'll continue this conversation. thank you. miami davis helping us appreciate what's going on just ahead the attorney who led

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it at walmart hi, i'm evan perez and washington and this is cnn we're back with bar breaking coverage of michael cohen's long-awaited testimony against his former boss, donald trump and we just got more of the transcript from cohen's testimony today, including when the prosecution asked cohen if trump seemed concerned on his wife melania, in regards to stormy daniels, let me read part of the exchange. the official transcript exchange prosecutor susan hoffinger did you bring up at the time the topic of his wife melania and one of those conversations with mr. trump, cohen, i did hoffinger what did you say in substance to him? >> cohen. i said to him and how's things going to go with the upstairs with upstairs.

>> hoffinger, where you concerned about that cohen? i was hoffinger. and what, if anything, did he say to you about that? cohen don't worry he goes he goes how long do you think i will be on the market for not long. hoffinger. >> what did you understand that to mean cohen. >> he wasn't thinking about melania this was all about the campaign. let's get some reaction right now from trump lead defense counsel during his second impeachment trial, david shown david thanks for joining us. how much does what we just heard strengthen the prosecution's actual case against him? >> well, i think part of the issue here is they're using michael cohen to sort of touch every base. and so they'd heard some testimony that may be present. trump's concern was about his wife and not the campaign which would undercut one of their theories for the target crime 17152 to promote or prevent an event, an election and so they want to lay everything on the campaign.

i think you reach too far. i don't think is going to be believable to the same jury that heard from an earlier a witness, how important the relationship is between trump and his wife. but michael cohen is michael cohen. i think that they feel he's a make or break it witness and i think in real terms, he probably is. >> yeah, i think you're right. michael cohen testified that he called trump right before paying the hush money and that trump then approve the plan to repay him. how does the defense overcome that testimony directly tying trump to this allegedly illegal scheme? >> i think first of all, the defense has to keep their eye on the ball and specifically focus on what the charges here. i think that it's possible to make out a case that michael cohen could be believed in full and that they haven't even state hasn't even made out the misdemeanor in the case. remember if the misdemeanor they have to prove that the business records were falsified with the intent to defraud and then to make it a felony. that that was done with the intent

to commit or conceal another crime. part of the problem with this case is, i think why the indictment is defective. >> they've never identified what that target crime is. >> but the talk of the de is 17152, trying to interfere with any election cover up bad news about the candidate. first of all, based on mr. davidson and other witnesses that we've heard about this being a settlement, not hush money. and even from cohen himself, that part of the money paid was a bonus i'm not sure that they can make out the case that this was improperly book and certainly not criminally booked reflected in the records. criminally beyond that, candidates are entitled to prevent bad facts about themselves from coming out. so again, best-case scenario for the government or for the state, if cohen is believed a lawyer who keeps his eye on the ball and gets the write jury instructions, still wins the case, but of course, this case is going to turn in large part on the cross-examination and mr. cohen that would be a dream for a halfway competent lawyer. that's coming up very soon

when the defense team starts cross-examining michael cohen, how much do they have to try to appease trump? >> how will that impact potentially their own strategy? >> i think there'll be a consistent agenda between a trump and their own lawyers own agenda. >> i think what you've got to be careful with a lawyer witness, michael cohen is savvy, if nothing else. >> so he knows what to expect but i think that the beauty of witnesses like michael cohen is, it's not just across get emanation to show bias or prejudice by a witness for impeachment purposes. >> let's his case. it's classic prior inconsistent statements and he's got a lot of them in a lot of forms, written, spoken, et cetera. fact, you played a clip from a tape. i think those tapes should be played for the jury so that a year, how convincing his voice was in your interview and when he spoke to congress and otherwise, so there may be he was even more convincing than he is on the witness stand today when he told completely other story. one other thing i just want to raise is it's not

just a matter of cross remember, michael cohen had a whit i had a lawyer who he waived privilege with, who then met with the fence the fence decided not to indict donald trump, and he testified before the grand jury and then new york case that lawyer would say that michael cohen told him the exact opposite at a time when the lawyer told michael cohen, you could never be more incentivized to give them donald trump, if you don't want to go to jail and de, and your life give them donald trump, and michael cohen told him, i can because it's not true so that would be compelling testimony if that lawyer testifies also david shown thank you very much for joining us. >> i'm coming up. new polls show a former president trump leading president biden and several key swing states. the former biden white house press secretary, jen psaki joins us live right after a quick break. >> the trump hush. money trial gavel to gavel coverage away only cnn can bring it to you. legal insight expert analysis

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trump editors the fifth week of his hush money trial in new york, he's touting new polling showing him edgy got president biden and four key swing states. listen doing great doing great and kept me here for three-and-a-half, four weeks instead of campaigning. yet we still have the best whole numbers came out in the new york times those poles from the new york times and sienna fine trump with leads and nevada, georgia, michigan, and arizona. the two candidates locked in a very close race with no clear leader, at least right now in pennsylvania and wisconsin, i want to bring in former biden white house press secretary jen psaki. she's here with me in the situation room. she has a brand new book just come that just came out entitled same or lessons from work. the white house and the world. excellent reed, thanks very much for coming in. thank you. it's great to be here. well, what do you think of these poll numbers showing trump, despite the fact that he's going through a criminal trial rate now, he's either beating or tide effectively

tied with biden i didn't several of these key swing states, well, they do bend the mind to some degree. >> and if you're in the biden campaign, it's obviously not what you want to see. there are some other numbers deeper in the polls that i think they're looking at as potential signs of opportunity as much as these numbers aren't great for them. one of them is 20% of people in this poll said they blamed biden more for robbing overturned then trump, that's obviously not factual. so for them, maybe that means you need to do more and abortion access, do more, putting more money into that elevate that as an issue. it also shows that there are people who should be biden voters are, have been biden voters in the past, meaning they agree with him on issues who just haven't decided that they're going to turn out and vote. that is a challenge, but it's also a place where they can make up some ground. >> it's interesting because biden compared to four years ago, biden has, is losing support among black hispanic young voters, especially when it comes to the economy, even though the economy is doing better, why is that? >> i think there's a couple of reasons. one is you can't tell

people how they feel about the economy. and if people feel like the cost of housing is too high, or they have student loans, they can't repay, they don't want to hear about gdp or data that is looking better. and they also don't want to hear about a long laundry list of accomplishments. biden has a lot of them this is more if they can frame this about more about the choice and the contrast and who you're fighting for. that's going to be more of a winning message for them. it's actually similar. you covered the 2012 campaign i was on the 2012 campaign. it's kinda similar to what barack obama did at that time. the economy was still recovering his message was basically, i'm going to fight for you. mitt romney is not going to fight for you. give me four more years. that's what their message needs to be. >> let's see her because then your new book, say more and it's really, really interesting, important, excellent read. >> thank you. let's say, you say that you share tips on how to be a better communicator, whether it's the white house from work the world, or whatever situation room right now what? >> so what does biden need to do right now to be a better communicator with voters out

there. >> well, i think the event they did in wisconsin last week was actually quite a good example. as you know, because there's so much to cover right? right now, the former president has opponent is sitting in a courthouse that is a big story. it's never happened before. it's hard for them to break through when they went to wisconsin, what they did is they didn't event that i would consider one with edge, right. >> they went to a place trump made a promise. he didn't deliver on it. it was about the economy they should people care about. >> so what is president biden doing wrong right now to talk to the american people and convince them to vote for him. >> i don't know if it's anything wrong as much as it's something you've got to do more of the howard stern interview was a good example at reached a broader group of people who aren't clicking on whitehouse.gov. more contrast events where you can really remind people what the choice is those i think are good, too good areas for them to continue to focus. >> the book is entitled same more or lessons from work. the white house and the world. jen psaki congratulation. thank you so much. please come back and i would love to thanks very much for joining us. and we'll be right back with more news you

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bribes, including gold bars cash, and a luxury luxury car in return for steering us aid to a foreign government and stopping a case against one of the co-defendants. menendez has pleaded not guilty to all charges. and has rejected calls to resign. i will flits her in the situation room. thanks very much for watching. i'll see you tomorrow, 1:00 p.m. eastern for our special live coverage continuing of the trump hush money, criminal trial once again, thanks very much for watching. you can always follow me on x formerly known as twitter, and on instagram at wolf blitzer. the situation room is also available as a podcast wherever you get your podcasts erin burnett out front starts right now