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the 14—year—old boy killed in yesterday's sword attack in london has been named as daniel anjorin. police reveal their officers suffered horrific injuries trying to stop the attack. a 36—year—old man was arrested on suspicion of murder. america's top diplomat meets israel's prime minister after accusing hamas of being the last obstacle to a ceasefire in gaza. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, 3 hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. we begin in the us and the student protests sweeping the country against the war in gaza. overnight, these were the scenes on campuses on the west
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coast and east coast. clashes between rival student groups and clashes with police who were called to both the university of california in los angeles and columbia university in new york. at ucla, there were skirmishes between pro—israeli and pro—palestinian protesters, with the vice chancellor calling in police, after what she described as "horrific acts of violence." scenes like this went on for hours, with pepper spray being used. at columbia university, where the protests started, police moved in to disperse students from the encampment that had built up over weeks. the demonstrators have demanded that the university cut ties with israel. our north america correspondent, nomia iqbal, begins our coverage. truth is, tensions have been bubbling for some time on university campuses ever since october the seventh and even before then, certainly
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for pro—palestinian protesters. and things really came to a head overnight. universities simply decided that they were going to crack down on protesters, and they called in the police to do that on both sides of the country. as the darkness came, so did the violence. the tension between the pro—palestinian protesters encamped at ucla and the pro—israel demonstrators boiled over. screams ring out as fireworks are less off in the dense encampment. —— as fireworks are let off. pieces of plywood turned into weapons. thankfully, i'm physically safe. a lot of my peers are not physically safe. it's not clear yet what sparked the fighting. the los angeles police were called to the scene at the request of the university. the vice chancellor has condemned the events as a horrific act of violence.
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on the other side of the country, at columbia university in new york, where the protests originally started, police entered the campus. it comes nearly two weeks since they last went in, sparking huge controversy. and a day after some demonstrators broke into a building inside campus, smashing windows and barricading themselves in for the university. —— for the university it was a red line. dozens have been arrested in this new police raid. dozens and dozens of riot police are just behind this line here. we're at columbia university. the actual entrance to the campus is just to my left. we can't get anywhere near. it's about a two minute walk, but police have blocked it off entirely. just earlier, we saw some students being arrested. they had their hands
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behind their backs with white zip ties, being loaded onto nypd buses. further down to the right, you've got more student protesters, more pro—palestinian protesters on the other side of these barricades shouting "shame, shame, "shame" at the police. the university also set a deadline on monday to clear the encampment. students who didn't move are now being suspended. protesters told us they were hopeful talks could still continue with the university. their demands included cutting off economic and academic ties with israeli institutions. but given this latest police action, hope for reconciliation seems even further away. nomia iqbal, bbc news, new york. well, this morning we've been getting more of an update about exactly what happened overnight. the new york mayor, eric adams, has held a press conference along with the police as well, outlining exactly the details of last night.
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mr adams has been very clear to stress this is not about cracking down on free speech, but blamed outside agitators for the chaos on campus. have a listen. we said from the beginning, the students have a right to protest and free speech is the cornerstone of our society. but as our major concern, we knew and we saw that there were those who were never concerned about free speech. they were concerned about chaos. it was about external actors hijacking peaceful protests and influencing students to escalate. there's nothing peaceful about barricading buildings, destroying property or dismantling, dismantling security cameras. well, as well as the hundreds that have been arrested, more than 100 students have been suspended as well. and many of them are angry, as are some of the professors, over what they describe as a heavy handed response by the university. it's worth mentioning
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that the president of the university is ultimately, you know, the administrators are the ones who called in the police as private property. and in a letter, president shafiq has asked for the police to remain on campus until may the 17th. live now to new york where we can speak with nara milanich, professor of history at barnard college, columbia university. professor, thank you so much for being here on the programme. what being here on the programme. what have ou being here on the programme. what have you made _ being here on the programme. what have you made of _ being here on the programme. what have you made of the _ being here on the programme. what have you made of the last 18—24 hours? have you made of the last 18-24 hours? ~ ., ., ., , hours? well, i have to say, i and my colleagues — hours? well, i have to say, i and my colleagues are _ hours? well, i have to say, i and my colleagues are still— hours? well, i have to say, i and my colleagues are still reeling _ hours? well, i have to say, i and my colleagues are still reeling after - colleagues are still reeling after watching and listening to what went on last night. we were not allowed on last night. we were not allowed on campus, campus has been closed, there were no media on campus, no legal advisers on campus. i think what actually went down, we're still learning the details of that. but we are kind of shocked appalled by the violence and we are shocked and
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appalled by the university's decision to call in the police for the second time in order to counter its student protesters. and i want to be clear that the narratives of chaos and violence that we are hearing coming out of campuses are not a result of peaceful student protesters. they are the result of university administrators decisions to call police in riot gear onto our campuses with extraordinary force, and that decision has really inflamed the whole situation. in fact, i would argue that the president of columbia university, her initial decision to call the police in on a peaceful encampment on our campus, of student protesters that had been in existence just over 24 that had been in existence just over 2a hours when she called in the police the first time, that is the decision that has set off this entire wave of protest and violence around the country. find
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entire wave of protest and violence around the country.— entire wave of protest and violence around the country. and yet, let me divin: around the country. and yet, let me diving there. — around the country. and yet, let me diving there. you — around the country. and yet, let me diving there, you make _ around the country. and yet, let me diving there, you make several- diving there, you make several points, and yet we saw hamilton hall taken over yesterday. is it not legitimate to try to actually clear the students from there? and in terms of the basic approach, you are critical of the approach the university has taken, but they would point tojewish university has taken, but they would point to jewish students now university has taken, but they would point tojewish students now on campus saying they feel unsafe by what is happening all around them. is that not part of the justification of how the authorities have responded? that justification of how the authorities have responded?— have responded? that is part of theirjustification, _ have responded? that is part of theirjustification, but _ have responded? that is part of theirjustification, but let - have responded? that is part of theirjustification, but let me i have responded? that is part of| theirjustification, but let me be clear that as myself, a jewish faculty member on campus, i and many of myjewish colleagues and students feel perfectly safe. i think it is really important to note that many of the student protesters are in factjewish, that the encampment was occupied by students of a variety of backgrounds, but a good portion of whom werejewish, the encampment
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held teachings on anti—semitism, they held interfaith services, they held a beautiful sata dinner on passover, so i really want to counter this narrative about lack of safety. lack of safety among jewish students and faculty. i also want to suggest that they students did indeed take of the hamilton hall, hamilton paul, it is important to know, is a symbolic importance for student protesters. it is the building that was taken over in 1968 during the historic columbia student protests. so it has a special sort of symbolic value. i want to be clear, i am of symbolic value. i want to be clear, iam not of symbolic value. i want to be clear, i am not going to in any way condone vandalism of property on campus by students, broken windows etc, but i would ask whether it makes sense to call onto campus literally hundreds, and i don't know how many, but hundreds and hundreds of nypd, some of whom are from a
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special counterterrorism unit of the nypd, in riot gear, to counter what will probably turn out to be several dozen students who took over the building and who are doubly guilty of vandalism. the use of force, the show of force really seems disproportionate to the level of threat that the students represent. a final thought, then, because new york's mayor held a press conference only about one hour to one and a half hours ago, saying it will allow our young people to become radicalised, this is not about free speech but causing chaos. you have addressed some of these issues in your early answer but in terms of the power of these protests, what do you think it says about the current mood amongst americans, young americans, about the war in gaza? it
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is quite extraordinary, i think, the outpouring of protests. again, i want to be clear that i think university administrators have completely mishandled these protests, but there are examples of administrators who have taken a different tact, for example at brown university in rhode island which happens to be one i am associated with, administrators agreed to talk to students about their demands for divestments. let's be clear that divestments. let's be clear that divestment is an easy slogan had a difficult thing to do, perhaps. but the idea of sitting down and talking to student protesters about their deeply held beliefs on all sides of this issue is the appropriate way for a university to go about its business, not calling in the police. nara milanich, great to talk to you here on bbc news. thank you for joining us. that was the situation at columbia university. as we have been showing you we saw dramatic scenes at ucla overnight and i want to show you my pictures coming into
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us today because it is a much calmer scene there in los angeles. but you can see the tent encampments. again, the police called in their overnight and the scenes we saw were showing you the pictures earlier. i've been speaking to james gelvin, professor of middle east history at ucla. he was at the encampment yesterday, i asked him what the past 2a hours have been like. well, it's been chaos on campus. there has been a peaceful protest on campus since thursday, and there were several provocations on sunday and on monday, and then last night things came to a head. i hate to use the cliche, outside agitators, but they were outside agitators who came onto campus, a large number of whom were the israeli—american council, with the idea that what they were going to do was to bust up the encampment, and this is exactly what happened.
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give me an idea what it has been like trying to go about your business during all of this, whilst this has all been going on around you over the recent days? well, it has been an inconvenience, at worst, for students and for myself. we have had to use different entrances to buildings, for example. but there was no way in which these buildings were actually barricaded off. the campus was certainly open to people, both students and non—students, to come onto campus. so mainly it was a peaceful protest and things came to a head three nights in a row, and unfortunately these two sides had to be separated. actually, it was not the two sides that had to be separated, the assault on the encampment had to be ended. just give me a sense of what it has been like, because it has been a very difficult balance, hasn't it, for the authorities? you have manyjewish students talking about feeling unsafe on campuses, you have the pro—palestinian
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demonstrators trying to make their point in the most powerful way possible. give me a sense of what it has been like trying to navigate your way through that? well, for somebody like myself who actually teaches the israel—palestine conflict, what i found is that the situation is more polarised now than it ever has been in my experience. and it has to do with the fact that both sides are looking at the worst in the other side. on the one hand what you have is the pro—israeli students, the zionist students, who actually are trying to say that the people who are protesting in favour of the palestinian issue are pro—hamas, which they certainly are not. on the other hand what you have is the rhetoric on the palestinian side, pro—palestinian side, also being escalated at the same time. so it is a very divisive situation on campus, and this has been taken advantage of by people from off campus
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as well, to make a political point, to score political points. a final quick thought, then, can you see these protests actually bringing about any sort of fundamental change at the universities, or broader change, because so much of this is also aimed at the us government? no, there is no way that this is going to bring about any change whatsoever. i have been telling students that if they are really interested in change to get off—campus, talk to their local democratic party machine, talk to their local women's groups, trade union groups and so on and so forth. you put political pressure where you can put political pressure, on local and state and federal authorities. that is the only way things are going to happen. what happens on campus stays on campus. professorjames galvin talking to me from ucla a little early on the programme. plenty more on that student protests throughout the course of our programme. i was only seeing, a few moments ago, new
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protests, this time at the university of wisconsin. more protests across different parts of the united states. around the world and across the uk, you are watching bbc news.
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you are live with bbc news. let's head to the middle east because america's top diplomat has met with the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, and other leading government figures injerusalem on the last day of his middle east tour. antony blinken says he is determined to get a deal to secure the release of hostages and the only obstacle to that is hamas. let's speak live to a senior fellow at the middle east institute. welcome here to the programme. just how close do you think we are to getting a new ceasefire and hostage deal? weill. you think we are to getting a new ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i think we are _ ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i think we are close _ ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i think we are close but _ ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i think we are close but we _ ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i think we are close but we are - ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i think we are close but we are not . ceasefire and hostage deal? well, i| think we are close but we are not as close as the administration would
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like us to think. clearly what we are seeing and hearing from the white house is a strategy to apply pressure on hamas. i have said time and again, antony blinken reiterated that the only thing standing between us and a ceasefire deal right now is hamas signature on the bottom line. clearly today from the statement of benjamin netanyahu, who is threatening to go into rafa, to invade rafa irrespective of whether there is a ceasefire deal or not, we also have a problem on the israeli side. i suspect that secretary billington will be trying very hard to troubleshoot that today in jerusalem. d0 to troubleshoot that today in jerusalem-— to troubleshoot that today in jerusalem. , ., ~ jerusalem. do you think those comments _ jerusalem. do you think those comments are _ jerusalem. do you think those comments are the _ jerusalem. do you think those comments are the last - jerusalem. do you think those comments are the last 24 - jerusalem. do you think those i comments are the last 24 hours jerusalem. do you think those - comments are the last 24 hours from israel's prime ministerjust underlining the determination to go into rafa, does that risk derailing all of this talk about a ceasefire and hostage deal?— all of this talk about a ceasefire and hostage deal? well, what i think these comments _ and hostage deal? well, what i think these comments highlight _ and hostage deal? well, what i think these comments highlight is - and hostage deal? well, what i think these comments highlight is that - and hostage deal? well, what i think these comments highlight is that we | these comments highlight is that we have a problem on the israeli domestic scene. clearly prime minister netanyahu is not willing to enter any kind of a deal that might
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his governing, very fragile governing coalition, i should say, injeopardy. i think governing coalition, i should say, in jeopardy. i think there governing coalition, i should say, injeopardy. i think there needs governing coalition, i should say, in jeopardy. i think there needs to be much diplomacy here to try and figure out the israeli domestic scene just as figure out the israeli domestic scenejust as much figure out the israeli domestic scene just as much as applying is here to try and try and rearrange and get to a deal at the regional level. so clearly israeli politics there being an obstacle, notjust hamas, although hamas is surely a problem. in hamas, although hamas is surely a roblem. , ., ., problem. in terms of getting more aid into gaza. _ problem. in terms of getting more aid into gaza, yet _ problem. in terms of getting more aid into gaza, yet again, _ problem. in terms of getting more aid into gaza, yet again, the - aid into gaza, yet again, the secretary of state having to underline that core message to israel's prime minister. is there any more that can be done to actually use leavers to actually get that done, because we have had so many visits, so many repetitions of that basic message, but the fundamentals have not changed very much, have they?— much, have they? well, the delivery of aid is a complex _ much, have they? well, the delivery of aid is a complex process. - much, have they? well, the delivery of aid is a complex process. it - much, have they? well, the delivery of aid is a complex process. it has i of aid is a complex process. it has to do with access, with distribution, key ring areas on the
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ground. we have seen aid being by the crowds there, and when you have a power vacuum on the ground in gaza, that is a very difficult and complex situation to deal with. yes, when pressure is applied we have seen overnight that israel is able to open that tap, and trucks are able to come in, but again, this is able to come in, but again, this is a multilayered process and i do think that there needs to be concerted pressure and diplomacy on israel to make sure that starvation is not used as a tactic against the palestinians. fix, is not used as a tactic against the palestinians.— is not used as a tactic against the palestinians. �* , _ ., ., ., ,., palestinians. a busy afternoon so we have to leave — palestinians. a busy afternoon so we have to leave it _ palestinians. a busy afternoon so we have to leave it there. _ palestinians. a busy afternoon so we have to leave it there. thank - palestinians. a busy afternoon so we have to leave it there. thank you - have to leave it there. thank you for that analysis and forjoining us here on bbc news. here, the teenager killed in a sword attack in east london yesterday has been named... the 14—year—old's family are devastated and the police officers wounded in the incidence yesterday
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suffered horrific injuries according to the metropolitan police commissioner, with one officer coming close to losing her hand. let's get the latest from our correspondent, graham satchell. devastation at bancroft school in east london and confirmation that one of their students, a 14—year—old, was killed in the sword attack yesterday. it's the second time in less than a year that bancroft�*s in mourning for one of its own. former student grace o'malley kumar, who was killed in a knife attack in nottingham, was also a student here. the final moments of yesterday's terrible attack were captured on a doorbell camera. the 36—year—old man still carrying a sword is cornered and met police officers move in. a taser is fired and then a female officer approaches and again uses a taser and the man falls to the ground. police were on the scene in 12 minutes and detained the suspect 22 minutes after that. the bravery of the emergency services was extraordinary.
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here an officer confronts the suspect just feet away. at this point, one person is already dead and a number of others injured. you've got officers running towards someone who's waving a sword. what they do is absolutely extraordinary and it's a privilege to to work with them and lead them. come here. drop the sword. two officers who tried to stop the man ended up with serious injuries. one nearly lost her hand. lock your doors! i was talking to the family and colleagues of the officer, a woman officer who has a really badly damaged arm, really seriously damaged. and the surgeon spent sort of many, many hours sort of basically putting her arm back together. one eyewitness who didn't want to be filmed describe the moment of the attack. police were on their way because sirens, you could hear the sirens coming. and then he started shouting about god and whether you believe in god and things like that.
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i came at my house to go to help the boy as i know him and his family. as i came out, he literally was five feet away from me on the left. so when i saw him, i went straight back inside my house. i wasn't sure if he'd been detained or anything like that. the investigation into the events of yesterday morning will focus on the man now in hospital and under arrest. police have yet to interview him but have said this wasn't a targeted attack or terrorism—related. today, a school and a whole community is trying to understand why a 14—year—old boy lost his life in the most horrific way. graham satchell, bbc news. graham talking about the boy's school. just in a lapsed little while the school has released a statement. let me take you through it. apologies that the print is so small but i will read it out because it says, we are devastated by the heartbreaking news of the death of
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daniel who attended our school. this has left us in profound shock and sorrow. danieljoined bancroft�*s at seven years old and quickly became a core member of our community. he was a true scholar, demonstrating commendable dedication to his academic pursuits. his positive nature and gentle character will leave a lasting impact on us. losing such a young pupil is something we will always struggle with, we are now doing all that we can to support our entire community through this most painful situation. our thoughts and deepest sympathies are with daniel's family during this incredibly difficult time. well, let's head to the school, because our reporter, ben wolverine, is therefore rose in east london. ben, i was just reading out the statement and itjust underlines the profound shock and of course all of the help and support they are now trying to give to those pupils. yes
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and support they are now trying to give to those pupils.— and support they are now trying to give to those pupils. yes indeed. we understand special— give to those pupils. yes indeed. we understand special assemblies - give to those pupils. yes indeed. we understand special assemblies have| understand special assemblies have been held at the school this morning as staff here begin what will be a long and difficultjourney in supporting pupils with this terrible news. that statement, as you say, just released in the last hour. we have been watching recently as parents and pupils have brought floral tributes to the school this evening. we understand a book of condolences has been opened so that pupils and staff can pay tribute to the life of daniel, described as a much loved pupil.— the life of daniel, described as a much loved pupil. ben, thanks very much. we much loved pupil. ben, thanks very much- we will— much loved pupil. ben, thanks very much. we will have _ much loved pupil. ben, thanks very much. we will have more _ much loved pupil. ben, thanks very much. we will have more of - much loved pupil. ben, thanks very much. we will have more of the - much loved pupil. ben, thanks very l much. we will have more of the day's headlines here on the programmejust a moment or two. we are seeing a change across southern parts of the uk, eventually heavy rain and thunderstorms moving in here. we also have overnight more mist and fog and low cloud
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developing more widely. some areas of scotland in particular will struggle to clear that all day. much contrast in north achaea where we have seen temperatures over 20 degrees in the sunshine. at the same time we have also seen cloud moving up time we have also seen cloud moving up from france and it is that that is bringing some rain into parts of england and wales this evening. that will push up towards northern ireland as well before retreating back towards the south—west. as that happens we will see heavier rain later in the night and more of that mist and fog and low cloud pushing further inland further north. temperatures typically 8—9 . pretty mild overnight but getting wet and quite stormy, potentially, across southern parts of england and wales ljy southern parts of england and wales by the early hours. heavy rain, thunder, lightning and large hail and gusty winds. maybe some description, most of its may push away but it could stay wet for most of the day in south—west england and wales and we may well find fairly heavy bursts of rain developing in other southern areas, drifting late into the middle and north wales. further north it is dry, increasing amounts of sunshine away from these
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coastal areas in south—east scotland at a north—east england where there is going to be a cold wind blowing. temperatures not too high in the south—west where it stays wet but it will be a warmer day for northern ireland, one in the sunshine for western scotland and again for the north—west of england. there is warmer air coming north—west of england. there is warmerair coming ourway north—west of england. there is warmer air coming our way on the continent at the moment. it is coming over the cold seas, the north sea, which is why we have seen mist and a low cloud. that is to the north of that weather and ad that is bringing the rain on the friday and moving northwards. we have rain more widely for england and wales with bursts of rain are likely across southern scotland and perhaps northern ireland. northern scotland seeing sunshine at a later in southernmost parts of england. temperatures here only around 13 or 14 degrees. on the whole temperatures are going to be lower because of the cloud and rain but we still could make 20 degrees in western scotland for one more day. even here, the level change on saturday as the cloud and what is left of the rain pushes into scotland and northern ireland. no card for northern england but to the south that we can start on a
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brighter note and a drying out with some sunshine. it will feel warm in the sunshine with temperatures 16 or 17 degrees. temperatures dropping in scotland.
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welcome to bbc news. let's turn to our main headlines... violent campus confrontations.
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rival protesters clash at a pr— palestinian camp at the rival protesters clash at a pro— palestinian camp at the university of california in la. meanwhile, police arrest about 300 protesters during raids on a campus on a campus in new york — the city's mayor blamed external actors for causing chaos. there is nothing peaceful about destroying property, breaking and entering or... campus. on the road to southern lebanon the bbc takes a ride with un peacekeepers to gauge the impact of the fighting between israel and hezbollah. here was a two—storey building standing. now it is reduced to this one massive hole in the ground. {line one massive hole in the ground. one other headline... _ and the greatest thing since sliced bread — scientists are developing a new white loaf that's just as healthy as wholegrain.
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